A Pupil’s Remuneration

Mathew Thomas Philip, a senior lawyer, recently made an interesting suggestion about pupils’ remuneration. His proposal was to replace pupil allowances with a pupil loan with comfortable repayment terms. That loan is meant to pay the Master (the pupil’s supervising lawyer) for the education and coaching of the pupil. Mathew reasons that since the pupilage period is an extension of the pupil’s legal education after university and since the pupil’s paid for their undergraduate and their bar/clp education, it follows they should pay their Master or the firm for their continued education.

I have read and heard much disagreement with Mathew’s proposal. I have no issues with that, we are free to agree and disagree as we please. However, I am disappointed with the vitriol with which Mathew’s proposal and Mathew himself has met with; I think it is uncalled for, especially when it comes from lawyers and soon to be lawyers. The man has put out an idea; we either agree or disagree with it and provide reasons for deciding so; that should be the end of it. That is how I understand civil discourse to be; and that is how we lawyers should engage. To do otherwise would be a disservice to our profession.

There is no need to disfigure the proposal and malign the man. I am pleased he brought it up because it allows the issue to be aired and has created awareness about it. Pupils should thank him even though they disagree with his proposal; what he has done is gotten people talking and thinking about pupil remuneration. Mathew is big on legal education and does much to facilitate and encourage it. A respectful tone is not out of place when responding to and engaging with him.

Mathew’s proposal is not new; it is an old one with a twist. That was the position a long time ago; pupil’s paid their Masters for the privilege of an apprenticeship. An apprentice, according to the Oxford Dictionary, is a “a person who is learning a trade from a skilled employer, having agreed to work for a fixed period.” The pupils then did not pay their Masters to be taught but rather for the opportunity to closely watch their Masters practice their craft and learn from that. A Master is not in the business of teaching, he is there to attend to his clients. The pupil’s presence is, in truth, more often a hindrance than a help. Of course, there are exceptions to that, but that is the general rule.

I remember asking my father once why he did not pass his work to the pupils. He said, I don’t want to be going back and forth on a simple draft for a week. I have no patience for that anymore. If I can get it done in fifteen minutes and be done with it, so much the better. I can get on with other things. I can attest to that sentiment myself and it is sometimes tempting to take that route. What may take a pupil a week to get done to an acceptable standard can be done by an experienced and learned lawyer in half or three quarters of the day. And that’s if the pupil’s abilities and qualities are of some use.


The video above hilariously demonstrates the difference between professionals and amateurs in extreme fashion. Of course the gulf between a senior lawyer and a pupil it is not exactly or always like that; but for the most part it is something like that. And it is something like that in any profession or merit-based environment. There will be those newly coming in, and those who have been there for some time. That gulf of expertise between pupil and a senior lawyer is an inevitability because we have no choice over our births.

Mathew’s twist to the old ways was now pupils do not have to seek financing; they are given a loan on generous terms and can now demand more training and education from the Master. I am not with Mathew on this for a fundamental reason; my starting point is pupilage is a privilege, not a right. There is no legal obligation on a senior lawyer to take on a pupil.

I disagree with him that pupilage is simply an extension of university or bar school/clp where instruction is given and is expected to continue in pupilage. For me, by the time a person is ready for pupilage, they should be competent at self-instruction i.e. knowing how to learn things for one’s self. I shouldn’t be teaching you how to learn things; that is a given. I am now pointing out what you should learn. Pupilage is an apprenticeship; it is the opportunity to apply theory to real life situations; pupils learn from the work that is given and the experience of doing that work. It isn’t university any more.

After all, I am not in the business of educating; I am running a legal business. Legal education does not contribute to the bottom line or for the foreseeable future. Those that do it do so because they think it their duty to ensure the coming generation is better than ours; that is the inevitable changing of the guard. Taking a pupil is a voluntary gesture.

But not everyone is like that and that is fair too. One cannot fault them for that or say they are selfish; that is how some lawyers want it to be and they are entitled to that. I can empathize too. It’s a far simpler existence. Nobody else to worry about and pay for; not having to put up with other people’s work. Although I think it a shame their “craft” will not survive them, that should not be held against them. It is their choice.

I think about pupils’ remuneration with the following elements discussed above: firstly, pupilage is a privilege; secondly, pupilage is an apprenticeship; thirdly, and generally, pupils come without the experience, skillset or knowledge to fully assist in a matter and often assist on the periphery while they learn on the fly. A pupilage is a privileged apprenticeship; there is no right to it. And if there is no right to it, there is even less right to make demands about remuneration.

If pupils insist on a particular pay, a particular sort of work, a particular sort of set up then what will happen is there will be progressively less senior lawyers willing to take pupils on. I do not say this as a threat like we are going to gang up together to do this because none of us could be bothered to organize that; what I am saying is imposing more onerous requirements to take a pupil on is likely to serve as a disincentive for senior lawyers to do so, the economics for it won’t make sense.

So these demands about remuneration, contracts, etc. are with respect, misplaced. It misunderstands the relationship between Master and pupil and is caught up more with short term self-interests. That pupil’s should be paid or not, I think that debate is long past. They should be. To have them pay us for an apprenticeship in this day and age is inappropriate.

Pupils need to keep this in perspective when they talk about their remuneration: a pupil does not contribute to the firm in terms of finding clients, closing out appointments, doing important work, conducting trials or hearings by themselves, issuing invoices, negotiating fees, recovering unpaid fees, and making sure the staff are paid on time, for example. Of course, a pupil doing firm work should be remunerated for it; but pupils should not overestimate their contribution to a firm; their presence is not critical to the firm’s existence. The firm will go on with or without them because law firms are not set up to cater for pupilage; they are set up to cater to clients’ needs.

But as pupils are under their charge that means Masters are under an ethical and moral obligation to provide a reasonable allowance for their pupils as the firm’s economy allows and not use them primarily for non-legally related or menial work. They should be paid on time and their claims quickly, and given appropriate work to do. If possible subsidize or pay for their attendance for bar organized courses; those are affordable. Whether that allowance should cover a pupil’s living expense is the province of each firm.

If pupils don’t agree with the remuneration terms, leave or do not sign up. But if you are going to sign up or stay, don’t whine after that. It’s unprofessional. And nobody is forcing you to do it. If you are unhappy, quit. Keep finding a pupilage position that fits you and your expectations, and all the best with that.

To me, pupils concerned more about their allowance than the experience and learning they get out of pupilage have their priorities wrong and are short term in outlook. They don’t like it when senior lawyers say that but it happens and that’s just how it is. When they get to our level of experience (15 years and above), they are going to find themselves sharing the same sentiment.

For me, this is the acid test, if you get to pupil with the likes of Cyrus Das, Sri Ram or Azmi Mohd Ali but you have to do so for free, are you going to accept or decline it? If you decline it for some inconvenience, then it is best you leave practice immediately because it is not meant for you. A pupilage is not for the pupil to earn a living – you are off in 9 months unless retained – but a privileged opportunity to learn how to earn a living from a practitioner of the craft. Because that’s what lawyering is, a craft, and that’s what a pupil or young lawyer is, an apprentice.

What pupils should be concerned about are whom they are going to be working with or under, what type of work they would be exposed to or required to do, how independently are they expected to work, what are they allowed to do in relation to work, what is the firm’s policy on legal aid, and so forth. Research their intended firm or Master. These are the matters that will set up a pupil for the long term, not the allowance.

To me, pupils that choose their pupilage primarily by allowance don’t actually know what they want out of the experience themselves so they default to money because it is safe and can be stored. Even if I didn’t enjoy the experience, at least I was well remunerated. Statements like that help fool ourselves it is not about the money.

To me, a pupil that talks more about remuneration than they do about the law is going to be unhappy later on because he or she is unlikely to speak about either at some point.

Spend the early part of your years focusing on building competency and cultivating your reputation, not your pay; the former are what people will pay you handsomely for in the future. If you think of your legal career in the long term, then you will be prioritizing building competency and cultivating reputation in the law instead of your pay; but if you think short term, then you will prioritize being paid as high sum a sum as you can get early in your career; it is just as well I suppose, because people who think short term won’t last long term.

7 thoughts on “A Pupil’s Remuneration”

  1. Just two points with regard to this excellent article.

    Firstly, we are now in the midst of what is called “cancel culture”. A culture where the moment someone provides a view not shared by the masses, he/she is bombarded with vitriol and accused of being A, B or C. In many ways, a “if you’re not with us, then you’re against us” mentality. I would say that ever so slightly, this vitriolic response to opposing views is creeping into the Bar (e.g. the current elections).

    Secondly, I understand what you’re getting at with regard to “would you do a free pupillage under renowned lawyer X, Y or Z”. Many forget, pupils get an allowance, not a salary. This allowance used to be in the range of RM200-300; now it’s usually more than 1000. Fair enough, costs of living have gone up, whilst public transport to KL Courts is next to none. However, I do recall reading an English publication (I forget if it’s Legal Cheek or Counsel) where the issue of free legal internships was argued on the point of being prejudicial towards poorer pupils. Better-off pupils (I don’t want to use the word “richer”) are more than willing to take up internships/pupillage which offer very low, if not no, allowance. This gives them a far superior advantage compared to a pupil from a less financially strong background. Of course, the argument centres on UK and its obsession with Magic Circle firms, but in today’s age of employability which seems to favour big names on the CV, the issue of low or no pay pupillage may have an adverse effect on the future of some pupils.

  2. Dear Fahri,

    Thank you for providing your input on the discussion. I won’t add much but I am sure you are well aware that a pupil having the initiative and right mentality (as subjective as that may be) is not a requirement that is mutually exclusive from having a minimum form of remuneration. A pupil can love the law, strive for his/her own growth and still be paid an adequate amount of remuneration for his/her period of tutelage under his master. I think it would be misplaced to operate on any assumption that those who advocate for a minimum form of remuneration are necessarily the same people who have an unhealthy focus only on the wealth-related part of the profession. In fact, those with an unhealthy focus on that particular aspect of the profession would not even be bothered to comment anything on the issue.

    Yes, I realise that you did not draw those parallels in your article but I would just like to put this out there in case anyone that is reading your article is somehow misled into thinking so.

    I would also like to address the following line from your article:-

    “So these demands about remuneration, contracts, etc. are with respect, misplaced. It misunderstands the relationship between Master and pupil and is caught up more with short term self-interests.”

    With due respect, if a lawyer advocates for a minimum form of remuneration or a form of contract for pupils, what short term self-interest does the lawyer to seek to gain at the vitriol of his seniors? He/She is no longer a pupil and reaps no immediate benefit from the minimum remuneration of pupils. Perhaps your statement is incorrect and the demands are actually based on a long-term vision that seeks to prevent the exploitation of pupils and settle a long-running issue that other jurisdictions have settled long ago.

    In your article, you list the work that pupils do not contribute to the firm (finding clients, closing out appointments, conducting trials) but you did not address the work that they in fact do contribute; work that ordinarily requires a salary and SOCSO payment let alone a basic form of remuneration. You also did not address the fact that unlike the UK, the role of a pupil barrister and a trainee solicitor is not separate in Malaysia and so there will be pupils who are less interested in classic advocacy or litigation but must still undergo the pupillage requirement before they can practice in non-litigation related areas. It is a completely different field game compared to the situation in Malaysia and it would not be right to romanticise the classic pupil barrister/master relationship that was adopted from the UK.

    I also find it odd that you shared a link to a video showing 3 soccer players vs 100 kids. I do find the video funny and entertaining but don’t you think a more apt video would be one where a 23 year old boxer goes up against a 70 year old man. Perhaps neither video would be an accurate representation and I believe you can see that such videos do no good other than affirming an existing confirmation bias.

    The point I am getting to is that the quality of pupils surely can be increased but this does not mean that minimum remuneration should not be implemented. You call the later demand ‘misplaced’ but in truth it is a separate but necessary requirement for the long-term health of this profession.

    Thank you for taking your time to read this and if you wish to discuss with me further, please reach out.

    Cia Yee


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